Leonard SAY MM

SAY, Leonard

Service Number: 506
Enlisted: 31 August 1914, Sydney, New South Wales
Last Rank: Sergeant
Last Unit: 1st Machine Gun Company
Born: South Petherton, England, 17 August 1890
Home Town: Corryong, Towong, Victoria
Schooling: Not yet discovered
Occupation: School master
Died: Killed in Action, Belgium, 7 November 1917, aged 27 years
Cemetery: No known grave - "Known Unto God"
Memorials: Australian War Memorial Roll of Honour, Corryong War Memorial, Menin Gate Memorial (Commonwealth Memorial to the Missing of the Ypres Salient)
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World War 1 Service

31 Aug 1914: Enlisted AIF WW1, Private, 506, 3rd Infantry Battalion, Sydney, New South Wales
20 Oct 1914: Involvement AIF WW1, Private, 506, 3rd Infantry Battalion, Enlistment/Embarkation WW1, --- :embarkation_roll: roll_number: '7' embarkation_place: Sydney embarkation_ship: HMAT Euripides embarkation_ship_number: A14 public_note: ''
20 Oct 1914: Embarked AIF WW1, Private, 506, 3rd Infantry Battalion, HMAT Euripides, Sydney
25 Apr 1915: Involvement AIF WW1, Private, 506, 3rd Infantry Battalion, ANZAC / Gallipoli
10 Jul 1915: Wounded Private, 506, 3rd Infantry Battalion, ANZAC / Gallipoli
29 Jul 1916: Transferred AIF WW1, Corporal, 1st Machine Gun Company
7 Nov 1917: Involvement AIF WW1, Sergeant, 506, 1st Machine Gun Company, 2nd Passchendaele , --- :awm_ww1_roll_of_honour_import: awm_service_number: 506 awm_unit: 1st Australian Machine Gun Company awm_rank: Sergeant awm_died_date: 1917-11-07

Sergeant Leonard Say

Leonard Say was born on the 17th August 1891 at the village of South Petherton, in Somerset, England. He was one of eight children of the Reverend George Say and his wife, Elizabeth (née Welchman).
At the age of ten, his family moved four kilometres north to the village of Kingsbury Episcopi, Somerset.

On the 6th of April 1911, Leonard, and his older brother Douglas, boarded the SS Runic, a 12482 tonne ship of the West Star Line, bound for Melbourne, Australia. Initially, the two brothers had thought about immigrating to America, however their father suggested that Australia might be a better choice. He arrived in Victoria with certificates equal to the Australian First Class Certificate of Education and became a temporary teacher, being placed in charge of Ryton Primary School in Gippsland. In 1912 he acted in a similar capacity at Buffalo before becoming a permanent head teacher at Thougla. Records indicate that he “was a good teacher, bright and vigorous, interested in his work, and showing taste and care with regard to the school surroundings''.

Leonard enlisted on the 31st of August 1914, four weeks after war was declared. He was given the service number of 506 and attached to D Company of the 3rd Battalion, 1st AIF. Almost two months later, on the 19th of October, the 3rd Battalion embarked on HMTS A14 Euripides at Fort Macquarie. They later joined other troopships from New Zealand, Melbourne and Albany, forming the first of two convoys that would convey Australian and New Zealand troops overseas.

On the 3rd of December the 3rd Battalion arrived at Alexandria, disembarking the following day. On the 5th of December they arrived at Mena Camp, Egypt. The following months would see Leonard involved in many training exercises, along with short stints of leave to enjoy the local sights, sounds and smells.

On the 3rd of April, the 3rd Battalion embarked on HMTS A10 Derfflinger, arriving at Lemnos five days later. Much has been written about the Gallipoli Campaign and Leonard was involved in it, from the landing on the 25th of April to the withdrawal on the 29th of December. During that time he was reported as missing in action on the 29th of April and wounded in action on the 10th of July. On that day the Turks exploded a mine quite close to their own trenches and although it did not damage any of the Australian tunnels and trenches, casualties included one killed and five wounded, one of whom was Leonard.

After surviving Gallipoli and spending some time back in Egypt at Tel-el-kebir, the 3rd Battalion disembarked at Marseilles in southern France in late March of 1916. Other than training exercises, stints in the front and reserve lines, and promotion to Sergeant, Leonard had two separate stays in hospital, one suffering from bronchitis, the other suffering from laryngitis. After returning from his latest stay in hospital he was transferred to the 1st Machine Gun Company. He also had two longer periods of leave, spending one week in Paris in September 1917 and two weeks in England during the last two weeks of October.

In early October, the 1st Machine Gun Company was involved in action in the Chateau Segard area. It was during this action that Sergeant Leonard Say was awarded the Military Medal. The citation stated:

“During the attack on the enemy positions East of Ypres on the morning of the 4th Oct. Sgt. SAY was with a section of machine guns, his C.C. and the other Sgt. being casualties thus leaving him in charge of the section in the early stage of the attack. He at once took charge and by good handling got his guns into position and reported in writing to Coy. H.Qrs. This N.C.O. by his personal bravery and cheerfulness, greatly encouraged his men under very trying circumstances. He remained in charge of the section until relieved on the night of 5th Oct.”

The 1st Machine Gun Company’s war diary for the 7th of November reads;

“Situation quiet during the night.
Intermittent shelling of D27A.1.4 during the day by enemy heavy artillery.
One of our M.G. was blown out at D18. A15.90. Casualties 1 killed 1 wounded.
Inter company relief took place during the night of the 7th and 8th. A + B sections relieving C and D.”

After having come through over three years of war, Leonard was killed the night of his sections being relieved!

Leonard Say has no known grave. He is remembered on the Ypres (Menin Gate) Memorial, West-Vlaanderen, Belgium, the Roll of Honour at St Martins, Kingsbury Episcopi, Somerset, England, and the Corryong War Memorial.

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Biography

His parents were George SAY & Elizabeth Ann WELCHMAN who married in England in 1875

"...506 Private (later Sergeant)) Leonard Say, 3rd Battalion (later 1st Company Australian Machine Gun Corps) of Corryong, Victoria. A school teacher prior to enlisting, he embarked from Sydney aboard HMAT Euripides (A14) on 20 October 1914. On 7 November 1917, he was killed in action during fighting at Passchendaele, Belgium, aged 26. Sgt Say is remembered with honour on the Ypres (Menin Gate) Memorial, Belgium. Sgt Say was awarded a Millitary Medal for his leadership and courage during an action on 4 October 1917, west of Ypres, Belgium. Sgt Say’s brother 394 Pte Douglas Stanley Say (also known as Saye) was wounded at Gallipoli and died of his wounds in Egypt at The Bombay Presidency Hospital on 25 May 1915." - SOURCE (www.awm.gov.au)

"Another soldier, well known in this district, who has paid tho surpreme sacrifice is Corporal Leonard Say, news of whose death in France came to hand last week. The deceased soldier at the time of enlisting in 1914 was teacher of the Thougla school, and was a young man highly respected by all. His father is a Church of England minister in England. A family of five sons all went to the war, and deceased is the second to be killed. In respect to his memory District Inspector Armitage closed the Thougla school on 28th ult." - from the Corryong Courier 06 Dec 1917 (nla.gov.au)

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Biography contributed by Stephen Learmonth

Leonard Say was born on the 17th August 1891 at the village of South Petherton, in Somerset, England. He was one of eight children of the Reverend George Say and his wife, Elizabeth (née Welchman).

At the age of ten, his family moved four kilometres north to the village of Kingsbury Episcopi, Somerset.

On the 6th of April 1911, Leonard, and his older brother Douglas,  boarded the SS Runic, a 12482 tonne ship of the West Star Line, bound for Melbourne, Australia. Initially, the two brothers had thought about immigrating to America, however their father suggested that Australia might be a better choice. He arrived in Victoria with certificates equal to the Australian First Class Certificate of Education and became a temporary teacher, being placed in charge of Ryton Primary School in Gippsland. In 1912 he acted in a similar capacity at Buffalo before becoming a permanent head teacher at Thougla. Records indicate that he “was a good teacher, bright and vigorous, interested in his work, and showing taste and care with regard to the school surroundings''.

Leonard enlisted on the 31st of August 1914, four weeks after war was declared. He was given the Regimental Number 506 and attached to D Company of the 3rd Battalion, 1st AIF. Almost two months later, on the 19th of October, the 3rd Battalion embarked on HMTS A14 Euripides at Sydney. By the time that Euripides anchored in King George Sound off Albany in Western Australia on the 24th of October she had been joined by 35 other transports. The convoy was escorted by HMAS Sydney and Melbourne, HMS Minotaur and the Japanese cruiser HIJMS Ibuki (which joined the convoy off Fremantle). The two light cruisers which had escorted the New Zealand ships to Albany, HMS Pyramus and Philomel left the convoy independently to take up duties based at Singapore.

On the 3rd of December the battalion arrived at Alexandria, disembarking the following day. Two days later it arrived at Mena Camp, Egypt. The following months would see Leonard involved in many training exercises, along with short stints of leave to enjoy the local sights, sounds and smells.

On the 3rd of April, the 3rd Battalion embarked on HMTS A10 Derfflinger, arriving at Lemnos five days later. Much has been written about the Gallipoli Campaign and Leonard was involved in it, from the landing on the 25th of April to the withdrawal on the 29th of December. During that time he was reported as missing in action on the 29th of April and wounded in action on the 10th of July. On that day the Turks exploded a mine quite close to their own trenches and although it did not damage any of the Australian tunnels and trenches, casualties included one killed and five wounded, one of whom was Leonard.

After surviving Gallipoli and spending some time back in Egypt at Tel-el-kebir, the 3rd Battalion disembarked at Marseilles in southern France in late March of 1916. Other than training exercises, stints in the front and reserve lines, and promotion to Sergeant, Leonard had two separate stays in hospital, one suffering from bronchitis, the other from laryngitis. After returning from his latest stay in hospital he was transferred to the 1st Machine Gun Company. He also had two longer periods of leave, spending one week in Paris in September 1917 and two weeks in England during the last two weeks of October.  

In early October, the 1st Machine Gun Company was involved in action in the Chateau Segard area. It was during this action that Sergeant Leonard Say was awarded the Military Medal. The citation stated:

During the attack on the enemy positions East of Ypres on the morning of the 4th Oct. Sgt. SAY was with a section of machine guns, his C.C. and the other Sgt. being casualties thus leaving him in charge of the section in the early stage of the attack. He at once took charge and by good handling got his guns into position and reported in writing to Coy. H.Qrs. This N.C.O. by his personal bravery and cheerfulness, greatly encouraged his men under very trying circumstances. He remained in charge of the section until relieved on the night of 5th Oct.

The 1st Machine Gun Company’s war diary for the 7th of November 1917 reads;

“Situation quiet during the night.

Intermittent shelling of D27A.1.4 during the day by enemy heavy artillery.

One of our M.G. was blown out at D18. A15.90. Casualties 1 killed 1 wounded.

Inter company relief took place during the night of the 7th and 8th. A + B sections relieving C and D.

After having come through over three years of war, Leonard was killed the night his section was to be relieved.

Leonard Say has no known grave. He is remembered on the Australian War Memorial Roll of Honour, the Menin Gate Memorial, (Commonwealth Memorial to the Missing of the Ypres Salient), the Roll of Honour at St Martins, Kingsbury Episcopi, Somerset, England, and the Corryong War Memorial. For his service during the First World War, he was awarded the Military Medal, the 1914-1915 Star, the British War Medal and the Victory Medal.

Douglas Say, the brother that accompanied Leonard moved to Australia, was also killed during the war. Whilst Leonard stayed in Victoria, Douglas moved to Tasmania where he gained employment as a grocer’s assistant in Hobart. He enlisted in the 12th Battalion, 1st AIF, and died of wounds recieved at Gallipoli on the 28th of April, 1915. He was buried in the Chatby War memorial Cemetery in Egypt.

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